The U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments Monday in a potential landmark case that pits two cherished constitutional principles against each other. On one side are laws that guarantee same sex-couples equal access to all businesses that offer their services to the public. On the other are business owners who see themselves as artists, and don't want to use their talents to express a message that they don't believe in.
"The pieces I create are art. They're one of a kind. They're unique," she said in an interview with NPR."I cannot create something that violates the core of what I believe." The state doesn't care about Smith's message, he adds. Rather,"The question is more one of conduct. Will you sell the product or service to whoever from the public knocks on your door."products and services, but that she believes marriage is between a man and a woman. Moreover, she says she has refused to use her talents for those who want to convey all kinds of other messages as well.
"Imagine if the website designer, the cake decorator, the wedding photographer," were to"show up at the wedding and then proceed to say to the people getting married, 'I don't like this part of your vows.' or 'these people can't be in your wedding party because I'm the speaker here.' We would think they were nuts, right?"
But professor Wolff replies that the compelled speech doctrine has never been applied in the commercial marketplace where"the only thing that the government is doing is establishing a neutral set of rules that everybody has to play by."
Why would you want the Supreme Court to force a sculptor to produce a painting for you?
Maybe they should create the site in a way that supports the creator's religious beliefs. Don't deny service, just build it the way you would build it. If they don't like the product, oh well. If you want a painting, don't force a sculptor to work for you. Get payment upfront.
The web designer doesn't have to turn away the same sex couple. Charge them a price that they consider too expensive and let them walk away. The only right the web designer has is to set her price for her web design. Peddling her religion is a sure way to ruin her business.
Democracy and personal freedom aren't always aligned. To be equal to all, it means all of us will have to give up something. Absolute religion has no place in democracy.
The jokes and mockery coming from the SC justices when listening to a civil rights case was appalling.
At least four (probably five) of our Supreme Court justices literally believe that gay people should be made to feel ashamed of themselves and should be forced to live their lives in secret. It’s really sad that they use religion as an excuse for such hatefulness.
She should also adhere to what Jesus said, whatever God joined together,let NO MAN put asunder.But I bet she has no problem doing adulterers living in sin wedding! So, her rights are violated if she selectively picks what she wants to observe+ omit in her argument for faith?
Where's Hunter?
One thing this article fails to mention is there is not one LGBTQ couple in Colorado, or anywhere else for that matter, that would want their wedding website designed by a dumpy trash person with the taste of a Hobby Lobby clearance bin.
Why are you framing it as an LQBGT rights case and not a religious freedom/ free speech case. Bias much? If the case was a feminist creator refusing to create content for Muslim group pushing FGM would you call it a case about Muslim rights?
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Federalist Society digging into Colorado finding these People.
Where is your detailed Hunter Biden story about censoring the laptop to change the outcome of the 2020 election, and NPR apology? Where is your reporting about the media/Twitter cover up now that it is 100% exposed via Elon? Why are you not reporting the biggest story?
We have to take step back & acknowledge & respect everyone,… especially those that trivialize and belittle religion. Eventually, we are getting into situation where beliefs will clash. Let’s respect everyone… race, color, creed, religion, nat’l origin.
She should have said that she doesn’t agreed with their lifestyle and such but she will provide the service but customer money will be donated to a anti-LGBT group. Now that would the give the customers choice to continue to use her services or not.
What about the Elon Musk Hunter Biden laptop story? Where is it NPR?
Democrats love the idea of forcing people to do things they don't want to do. Weird.
3 Justices voted against Obergefell in 2015 - Roberts, Alito, & Thomas. And 3 new Justices - Gorsuch, Kavanagh, & Barrett are likely to.
why do you pretend as though you don't know how the injustices will rule? As you we'll know they start with the conclusion and use second grade arguments to justify it!
where is the Constitutional issue here? Did Colorado force her to be a web designer? Could she not get a job flipping burgers?
This is a huge bothsidesing article that totally legitimizes anti-gay bigotry. If she'd said she didn't want to serve African-Americans, the media wouldn't be giving her case the time of day and would write her off as a bigoted kook, but because it's anti-gay, it's 'principled.'
will restaurants get to deny service next based on their bigoted 'religious' beliefs?
why do you ALWAYS fail to mention that these bigots are free to pursue another line of work if they only want 'certain' customers?
why is this web designer even allowed in court BEFORE she has even been fined because of the law?
I thought the Supreme Court only listened to arguments that have basis in reality?
I don't get why any business owner wants to alienate any potential customers. That's just bad business
Discrimination under the guise of “religious freedom” is still discrimination and shouldn’t be allowed
She can take the jobs she wants to take if she’s a freelancer but when you work for someone else is their business and their rules.
This is quite the tough one. Businesses do deserve the right to serve whom they choose, but discrimination needs to end. I don't think there is any easy answer here.
Law School Con Law 101 analysis: There is no injury. There is no standing. This case isn't ripe. But rules no longer apply to this SCOTUS
Absolutely love the fact that you cannot be discriminated against because of your religion, but because of your religion you can freely discriminate against anyone you like, or dislike I suppose.
State-Affiliated reporting
Can the KKK go to a baker of colour and demand a clan centennial celebration cake be made? Equal rights do not include compulsion. This has been tried in England's highest court almost 20 years ago. The baker one, and rightly so.
How does she know her male/female couples are 100% heterosexual? What about her vendors? There is no feasible way for her to assure that she only ever does business with people of a certain sexual orientation in the first place.
To think that one would waste the court's time over this, and the court would agree to take this up!
Just a reminder that Amy Coney Barrett should have recused herself from this case because of her personal history of discriminating against gay people while running a school for her cult, the People of Praise
I'd call it a landmark case on the First Amendment, but you keep doing you, NPR.
lowkeyheat_ religion is trash
42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color..
If that’s part of your job just do it , if you don’t like your job quite . When do employees decide what work they can do and not do doesn’t fly at my job
'..she thinks...' Kind of overlooking deeply held religious convictions here. The kind that would have been unquestioned 20 years ago.
The majority is going to legislate from the bench using their personal beliefs. That's the entire point of this sham SCOTUS. Any vestige of American justice is dead. Stop hoping. It's over.
I'm gay, and I think they're allowed to refuse it if it goes against their beliefs. There's tens of thousands of design firms, probably hundreds of thousands of designers, pick another one
And she would be right
For Gods sake. If you get into business just serve the damn customers. Frankly if I owned a business I would stop serving conservative ass hats who pretend to be Christians. It’s not like Jesus didn’t spent his entire ministry serving and ministering to the sinners.
Lorie Smith, the bigot. Maybe we can get the hashtag trending. loriesmiththebigot
Seems more like a case of religious rights and not LG rights.
Man it must be hard to be straight in America, I mean, queer folks are literally getting murdered across the country but go off, Karen 🙄 so excited for the Supreme Court to dignify this with a response that will likely further disadvtage a vulnerable community. /s
So...opponents of interracial marriage are white supremacists, but people who believe the 1 man and 1 woman=marriage aren't bigoted? Nah. They're homophobes. That's a kind of discrimination protected against in business. 🙄
How does her employer or clients know she where she stands on the subject? Maybe she should shut to f*ck up and do the work of change professions if she can’t be a professional.
They will side with the business claiming religion.
I say, whatever, but I think they should need to have a disclaimer that they won't service certain groups of people. I personally would like to know that my hard earned dollars aren't going to support a business run by a bigot.
Abolish the law CO. This is a moral issue
It's ok to disagree
This case -- centering on the fragility of a web designer who has yet to launch her business -- epitomizes what a bunch of dilettantes the conservative wing of SCOTUS is. These slackers only take 60 cases a year, and *this* merits being one of those? Nope.
so fucking tired of all these pious craftsmen in CO
The controversy isn't even religious. Congress decided to change the DEFINITION of several words. Marriage = the union of a man & woman to be husband & wife. Husband = partner to a wife. Wife = partner to a husband. Congress might as well burn every dictionary in my house.
More importantly- we need to know why it’s legal to withhold critical truthful info before important elections (Hillary’s Benghazi disaster) and Hunters laptop, and the most recent one: the campaign funding FTX pyramid scheme
Then she should move and do that in a more bigoted state. Isn’t this what Republicans tell Liberals when they don’t like to be in a fascist state?
So, a person who has not been compelled to do anything, who hasn't started a business that has been compelled to do anything, sued the state to overturn a law that wouldn't compel her to do anything other than just not preemptively be a bigot. I'm not seeing the standing here
Instead of a website try making a cake see how that turns out
What ? No states rights this time ? The SC is a mess.
8 major religious groups in US prohibit same-sex marriage.
Web designer is bad at business
You cannot compel creative services. Design firms have the right to refuse clients for any reason. The firm where I work as a designer has refused work for tobacco companies and refused to create interfaces for porn sites. As I would refuse to design for a MAGA campaign.
Hey Nina, I could see the smug look on your face as you reported this on the radio. But that’s typical NPR. Now do a Muslim web designer, who holds the same view as this Christian web designer.
So Should a Muslim Artist be forced to illustrate Mohammed jokes?
NPR, you interfered in the 2020 election cycle in favor of Joe Biden. You have ZERO credibility None. Delete your account.
And? Should a Jewish baker be forced to make a cake for a Nazi wedding?
Christian Nationalists are a PIA.
Artists are not exempt - bake the cake Picasso!
It’s not like Wix and Wordpress are that hard to use
🙄🙄
How is this landmark when Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission basically set the precedent already for the likely result?
Oh, it's the gay wedding cake thing again...
I wish her good luck!
'Design your own website.'
so the opposite side of all the cases that keep being brought against the baker in CO.
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